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vs. 4 - Should this be a purpose or a result? A. If a purpose, then is it possible that it is not realized on earth? B. If a result, then why do we continue to sin? vs. 5 - Is this resurrection a future sense only, or should we also see here a realized eschatology. If so, why is it future tense? Would that be eisegeting too much? vs. 6 - the "old self" (ie - our carnal man) has been crucified with him; in order that "the body of sin" (ie - the bodily man, which he describes as the body of sin) would not have any influence on us. The relatinoship between the "old man" and the "body of sin" seems to be one of realized eschatology. In other words - the old self is dead, but the body of sin can still have sway over us. The point of this verse seems to say that our old man was crucified in order to free our bodily man of the slavery to sin until the resurrection of the dead. Does this say that you can be sinless in the body? Or just the opposite?

10000000004942 4942 Notes 2009-02-18 12:45:33 2009-02-18 13:58:07 vs. 4 - Should this be a purpose or a result? A. If a purpose, then is it possible that it is not realized on earth? B. If a result, then why do we continue to sin? vs. 5 - Is this resurrection a future sense only, or should we also see here a realized eschatology. If so, why is it future tense? Would that be eisegeting too much? vs. 6 - the "old self" (ie - our carnal man) has been crucified with him; in order that "the body of sin" (ie - the bodily man, which he describes as the body of sin) would not have any influence on us. The relatinoship between the "old man" and the "body of sin" seems to be one of realized eschatology. In other words - the old self is dead, but the body of sin can still have sway over us. The point of this verse seems to say that our old man was crucified in order to free our bodily man of the slavery to sin until the resurrection of the dead. Does this say that you can be sinless in the body? Or just the opposite? notes

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Romans

Romans 6:1-14

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τί οὖν ἐροῦμεν ἐπιμένωμεν τῇ ἁμαρτίᾳ ἵνα ἡ χάρις πλεονάσῃ

What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound?

μὴ γένοιτο οἵτινες ἀπεθάνομεν τῇ ἁμαρτίᾳ πῶς ἔτι ζήσομεν ἐν αὐτῇ

By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? [We died to sin - we can't live in it any longer]

questionanswer

ἢ ἀγνοεῖτε ὅτι ὅσοι ἐβαπτίσθημεν εἰς Χριστὸν Ἰησοῦν εἰς τὸν θάνατον αὐτοῦ ἐβαπτίσθημεν

Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?

συνετάφημεν οὖν αὐτῷ διὰ τοῦ βαπτίσματος εἰς τὸν θάνατον

We were buried style="background-color: #ffff00;">therefore with him by baptism into death,

ἵνα

in order that [we too might walk in newness of life],

ὥσπερ ἠγέρθη Χριστὸς ἐκ νεκρῶν διὰ τῆς δόξης τοῦ πατρός οὕτως καὶ ἡμεῖς ἐν καινότητι ζωῆς περιπατήσωμεν

just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father

comparison

actionpurpose

εἰ γὰρ

For if we have been united with him in a death like his,

σύμφυτοι γεγόναμεν τῷ ὁμοιώματι τοῦ θανάτου αὐτοῦ ἀλλὰ καὶ τῆς ἀναστάσεως ἐσόμεθα

we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his.

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τοῦτο γινώσκοντες ὅτι ὁ παλαιὸς ἡμῶν ἄνθρωπος συνεσταυρώθη

We know that our old self was crucified with him

ἵνα καταργηθῇ τὸ σῶμα τῆς ἁμαρτίας

in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing,

τοῦ μηκέτι δουλεύειν ἡμᾶς τῇ ἁμαρτίᾳ

so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin.

ὁ γὰρ ἀποθανὼν δεδικαίωται ἀπὸ τῆς ἁμαρτίας

For one who has died has been set free from sin.

εἰ δὲ ἀπεθάνομεν σὺν Χριστῷ

Now if we have died with Christ,

πιστεύομεν ὅτι καὶ συζήσομεν αὐτῷ

we believe that we will also live with him.

εἰδότες ὅτι Χριστὸς ἐγερθεὶς ἐκ νεκρῶν οὐκέτι ἀποθνῄσκει

We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again;

θάνατος αὐτοῦ οὐκέτι κυριεύει

death no longer has dominion over him.

ὃ γὰρ ἀπέθανεν τῇ ἁμαρτίᾳ ἀπέθανεν ἐφάπαξ

For the death he died he died to sin, once for all,

ὃ δὲ ζῇ ζῇ τῷ θεῷ

but the life he lives he lives to God.

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ideaexplanation

οὕτως καὶ ὑμεῖς λογίζεσθε ἑαυτοὺς εἶναι νεκροὺς μὲν τῇ ἁμαρτίᾳ ζῶντας δὲ τῷ θεῷ ἐν Χριστῷ Ἰησοῦ

So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus.

μὴ οὖν βασιλευέτω ἡ ἁμαρτία ἐν τῷ θνητῷ ὑμῶν σώματι εἰς τὸ ὑπακούειν ταῖς ἐπιθυμίαις αὐτοῦ

Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions.

μηδὲ παριστάνετε τὰ μέλη ὑμῶν ὅπλα ἀδικίας τῇ ἁμαρτίᾳ

Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness,

ἀλλὰ παραστήσατε ἑαυτοὺς τῷ θεῷ ὡσεὶ ἐκ νεκρῶν ζῶντας καὶ τὰ μέλη ὑμῶν ὅπλα δικαιοσύνης τῷ θεῷ

but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness.

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ἁμαρτία γὰρ ὑμῶν οὐ κυριεύσει οὐ

For sin will have no dominion over you,

γάρ ἐστε ὑπὸ νόμον ἀλλὰ ὑπὸ χάριν

since you are not under law but under grace.

discourse

10000000004942 4942 Arc 2009-02-18 12:45:33 2009-02-18 13:58:07 editing Romans 6 1 6 14 Romans 6:1-14 45 NT tisch esv i16248 i16249 i16224 τί οὖν ἐροῦμεν ἐπιμένωμεν τῇ ἁμαρτίᾳ ἵνα ἡ χάρις πλεονάσῃ What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? i16225 μὴ γένοιτο οἵτινες ἀπεθάνομεν τῇ ἁμαρτίᾳ πῶς ἔτι ζήσομεν ἐν αὐτῇ By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? [We died to sin - we can't live in it any longer] questionanswer 2 i16250 i16226 ἢ ἀγνοεῖτε ὅτι ὅσοι ἐβαπτίσθημεν εἰς Χριστὸν Ἰησοῦν εἰς τὸν θάνατον αὐτοῦ ἐβαπτίσθημεν Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? i16251 i16252 i16253 i16227 συνετάφημεν οὖν αὐτῷ διὰ τοῦ βαπτίσματος εἰς τὸν θάνατον We were buried style="background-color: #ffff00;">therefore with him by baptism into death, i16254 i16228 ἵνα in order that [we too might walk in newness of life], i16229 ὥσπερ ἠγέρθη Χριστὸς ἐκ νεκρῶν διὰ τῆς δόξης τοῦ πατρός οὕτως καὶ ἡμεῖς ἐν καινότητι ζωῆς περιπατήσωμεν just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father comparison 1 actionpurpose 2 i16255 i16230 εἰ γὰρ For if we have been united with him in a death like his, i16231 σύμφυτοι γεγόναμεν τῷ ὁμοιώματι τοῦ θανάτου αὐτοῦ ἀλλὰ καὶ τῆς ἀναστάσεως ἐσόμεθα we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. conditional 2 ground 1 i16256 i16257 i16258 i16232 τοῦτο γινώσκοντες ὅτι ὁ παλαιὸς ἡμῶν ἄνθρωπος συνεσταυρώθη We know that our old self was crucified with him i16233 ἵνα καταργηθῇ τὸ σῶμα τῆς ἁμαρτίας in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, actionpurpose 2 i16234 τοῦ μηκέτι δουλεύειν ἡμᾶς τῇ ἁμαρτίᾳ so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. actionpurpose 2 i16235 ὁ γὰρ ἀποθανὼν δεδικαίωται ἀπὸ τῆς ἁμαρτίας For one who has died has been set free from sin. ground 1 i16259 i16260 i16261 i16236 εἰ δὲ ἀπεθάνομεν σὺν Χριστῷ Now if we have died with Christ, i16237 πιστεύομεν ὅτι καὶ συζήσομεν αὐτῷ we believe that we will also live with him. conditional 2 i16262 i16263 i16238 εἰδότες ὅτι Χριστὸς ἐγερθεὶς ἐκ νεκρῶν οὐκέτι ἀποθνῄσκει We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; i16239 θάνατος αὐτοῦ οὐκέτι κυριεύει death no longer has dominion over him. ground 1 i16264 i16240 ὃ γὰρ ἀπέθανεν τῇ ἁμαρτίᾳ ἀπέθανεν ἐφάπαξ For the death he died he died to sin, once for all, i16241 ὃ δὲ ζῇ ζῇ τῷ θεῷ but the life he lives he lives to God. alternative ground 1 ideaexplanation 1 i16242 οὕτως καὶ ὑμεῖς λογίζεσθε ἑαυτοὺς εἶναι νεκροὺς μὲν τῇ ἁμαρτίᾳ ζῶντας δὲ τῷ θεῷ ἐν Χριστῷ Ἰησοῦ So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus. comparison 1 ideaexplanation 1 i16265 i16266 i16243 μὴ οὖν βασιλευέτω ἡ ἁμαρτία ἐν τῷ θνητῷ ὑμῶν σώματι εἰς τὸ ὑπακούειν ταῖς ἐπιθυμίαις αὐτοῦ Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions. i16267 i16244 μηδὲ παριστάνετε τὰ μέλη ὑμῶν ὅπλα ἀδικίας τῇ ἁμαρτίᾳ Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, i16245 ἀλλὰ παραστήσατε ἑαυτοὺς τῷ θεῷ ὡσεὶ ἐκ νεκρῶν ζῶντας καὶ τὰ μέλη ὑμῶν ὅπλα δικαιοσύνης τῷ θεῷ but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness. negativepositive 2 series i16268 i16246 ἁμαρτία γὰρ ὑμῶν οὐ κυριεύσει οὐ For sin will have no dominion over you, i16247 γάρ ἐστε ὑπὸ νόμον ἀλλὰ ὑπὸ χάριν since you are not under law but under grace. ground 1 ground 1 1 1 1 tisch 25 esv 25 a 50 discourse