Eliciting faith or hatred
John 7:14-24
The context of this passage is danger, because the Jews want to kill Jesus.
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2010-08-22 04:42:02
The context of this passage is danger, because the Jews want to kill Jesus. And is teased by his brothers to go in public. Nonetheless, Jesus goes public for the sake of his teaching. The first "[Jews] marveled" joins this act of courage and trust in Jesus part. The unbeliever attitude of the Jews is one of marveling, wrong judgement and anger. However, Jesus comes to them amidst of danger in order to declare the world that its works are evil. And in this way showing them that their religious practice is void of really a doing of the will of God, the law. They have all fall short of it. And Jesus comes to reveal this contrast between them and Himself, as sinners needing to thirst and as the law abiding Savior correspondingly. Jesus responds them exhorting them to use right judgement. He is not a Sabbath breaker sinner, he is not a "good man", a "teacher" or even a "learned man". Do not marvel at a "man" who does signs, marvel at the Son of God doing the works of the Father! Comments posted on the Arc from Brian Float. http://www.biblearc.com/web/arc.php?arcid=6733&uid=831 Question Aug 19 | cordoval (abuse) context I love this part (this answers the previous murmerings of the crowds who were divided over Jesus being a good man or someone who is leading people astray). I think there is always a fight of argument in John's mind as to portray the gospel story to demonstrate that Jesus is the Christ. Not a mere man with wisdom in this case mainly. There is not this connection only but also the fact that it also reveals the sinful heart of its hearers in that He is telling them that their "works are evil" thereby making them angry and eliciting hatred. It is either that or eliciting faith and seeing Him as who He really is. Don't you agree? [ reply ] Information 12:03am | cordoval (abuse) contrasts some contrasts in addition to the ones you have mentioned could be the fact that people is fearing the Jews in even talking about during the feast. But then Jesus has no fear in going to a place where the Jews are trying to kill Him. Then here comes the connection that he proves them wrong about His learning that shows He is from God. This is followed by telling them they works of hatred is evil. And not just their hatred, but their fear, their failure to fulfill the law = will of God, and basically their unbelief and lack of dependence in Him or admission that they are wrong. another element involved in the "telling them that their ways are bad" is that Jesus exposes their receiving glory from one another. 12:06am | cordoval (abuse) And finally the also "telling them" that their judgmental attitude is also wrong. 12:08am | cordoval (abuse)
10000000047427 47427 Notes 2010-08-19 14:40:47 2010-08-22 04:42:02 The context of this passage is danger, because the Jews want to kill Jesus. And is teased by his brothers to go in public. Nonetheless, Jesus goes public for the sake of his teaching. The first "[Jews] marveled" joins this act of courage and trust in Jesus part. The unbeliever attitude of the Jews is one of marveling, wrong judgement and anger. However, Jesus comes to them amidst of danger in order to declare the world that its works are evil. And in this way showing them that their religious practice is void of really a doing of the will of God, the law. They have all fall short of it. And Jesus comes to reveal this contrast between them and Himself, as sinners needing to thirst and as the law abiding Savior correspondingly. Jesus responds them exhorting them to use right judgement. He is not a Sabbath breaker sinner, he is not a "good man", a "teacher" or even a "learned man". Do not marvel at a "man" who does signs, marvel at the Son of God doing the works of the Father! Comments posted on the Arc from Brian Float. http://www.biblearc.com/web/arc.php?arcid=6733&uid=831 Question Aug 19 | cordoval (abuse) context I love this part (this answers the previous murmerings of the crowds who were divided over Jesus being a good man or someone who is leading people astray). I think there is always a fight of argument in John's mind as to portray the gospel story to demonstrate that Jesus is the Christ. Not a mere man with wisdom in this case mainly. There is not this connection only but also the fact that it also reveals the sinful heart of its hearers in that He is telling them that their "works are evil" thereby making them angry and eliciting hatred. It is either that or eliciting faith and seeing Him as who He really is. Don't you agree? [ reply ] Information 12:03am | cordoval (abuse) contrasts some contrasts in addition to the ones you have mentioned could be the fact that people is fearing the Jews in even talking about during the feast. But then Jesus has no fear in going to a place where the Jews are trying to kill Him. Then here comes the connection that he proves them wrong about His learning that shows He is from God. This is followed by telling them they works of hatred is evil. And not just their hatred, but their fear, their failure to fulfill the law = will of God, and basically their unbelief and lack of dependence in Him or admission that they are wrong. another element involved in the "telling them that their ways are bad" is that Jesus exposes their receiving glory from one another. 12:06am | cordoval (abuse) And finally the also "telling them" that their judgmental attitude is also wrong. 12:08am | cordoval (abuse) notes
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Ἤδη δὲ τῆς ἑορτῆς μεσούσης ἀνέβη Ἰησοῦς εἰς τὸ ἱερὸν καὶ ἐδίδασκεν.
About the middle of the feast Jesus went up into the temple and began teaching.
ἐθαύμαζον οὖν οἱ Ἰουδαῖοι λέγοντες· πῶς οὗτος γράμματα οἶδεν μὴ μεμαθηκώς;
The Jews therefore marveled, saying, "How is it that this man has learning, when he has never studied?"
ἀπεκρίθη οὖν αὐτοῖς Ἰησοῦς καὶ εἶπεν· ἡ ἐμὴ διδαχὴ οὐκ ἔστιν ἐμὴ ἀλλὰ τοῦ πέμψαντός με·
So Jesus answered them, "My teaching is not mine, but his who sent me.
ἐάν τις θέλῃ τὸ θέλημα αὐτοῦ ποιεῖν, γνώσεται περὶ τῆς διδαχῆς πότερον ἐκ θεοῦ ἐστὶν ἢ ἐγὼ ἀπ’ ἐμαυτοῦ λαλῶ.
If anyone's will is to do God's will, he will know whether the teaching is from God or whether I am speaking on my own authority.
ὁ ἀφ’ ἑαυτοῦ λαλῶν τὴν δόξαν τὴν ἰδίαν ζητεῖ· ὁ δὲ ζητῶν τὴν δόξαν τοῦ πέμψαντος αὐτόν, οὗτος ἀληθής ἐστιν καὶ ἀδικία ἐν αὐτῷ οὐκ ἔστιν.
The one who speaks on his own authority seeks his own glory; but the one who seeks the glory of him who sent him is true, and in him there is no falsehood.
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οὐ Μωϋσῆς δέδωκεν ὑμῖν τὸν νόμον; καὶ οὐδεὶς ἐξ ὑμῶν ποιεῖ τὸν νόμον. τί με ζητεῖτε ἀποκτεῖναι;
Has not Moses given you the law? Yet none of you keeps the law. Why do you seek to kill me?"
ἀπεκρίθη ὁ ὄχλος· δαιμόνιον ἔχεις· τίς σε ζητεῖ ἀποκτεῖναι;
The crowd answered, "You have a demon! Who is seeking to kill you?"
ἀπεκρίθη Ἰησοῦς καὶ εἶπεν αὐτοῖς· ἓν ἔργον ἐποίησα καὶ πάντες θαυμάζετε.
Jesus answered them, "I did one work, and you all marvel at it.
ὁ Μωϋσῆς δέδωκεν. ὑμῖν τὴν περιτομήν, οὐχ ὅτι ἐκ τοῦ Μωϋσέως ἐστίν, ἀλλ’ ἐκ τῶν πατέρων, καὶ ἐν σαββάτῳ περιτέμνετε ἄνθρωπον.
Moses gave you circumcision (not that it is from Moses, but from the fathers), and you circumcise a man on the Sabbath.
εἰ περιτομὴν λαμβάνει ἄνθρωπος ἐν σαββάτῳ ἵνα μὴ λυθῇ ὁ νόμος ὁ Μωϋσέως, ἐμοὶ χολᾶτε ὅτι ὅλον ἄνθρωπον ὑγιῆ ἐποίησα ἐν σαββάτῳ;
If on the Sabbath a man receives circumcision, so that the law of Moses may not be broken, are you angry with me because on the Sabbath I made a man's whole body well?
μὴ κρίνετε κατ’ ὄψιν, ἀλλὰ τὴν δικαίαν κρίσιν κρίνατε.
Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment."
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10000000047427 47427 Arc 2010-08-19 14:40:47 2010-08-22 04:42:02 editing John 7 14 7 24 John 7:14-24 43 NT tisch esv i214407 i214396 Ἤδη δὲ τῆς ἑορτῆς μεσούσης ἀνέβη Ἰησοῦς εἰς τὸ ἱερὸν καὶ ἐδίδασκεν. About the middle of the feast Jesus went up into the temple and began teaching. i214397 ἐθαύμαζον οὖν οἱ Ἰουδαῖοι λέγοντες· πῶς οὗτος γράμματα οἶδεν μὴ μεμαθηκώς; The Jews therefore marveled, saying, "How is it that this man has learning, when he has never studied?" i214408 i214398 ἀπεκρίθη οὖν αὐτοῖς Ἰησοῦς καὶ εἶπεν· ἡ ἐμὴ διδαχὴ οὐκ ἔστιν ἐμὴ ἀλλὰ τοῦ πέμψαντός με· So Jesus answered them, "My teaching is not mine, but his who sent me. i214409 i214399 ἐάν τις θέλῃ τὸ θέλημα αὐτοῦ ποιεῖν, γνώσεται περὶ τῆς διδαχῆς πότερον ἐκ θεοῦ ἐστὶν ἢ ἐγὼ ἀπ’ ἐμαυτοῦ λαλῶ. If anyone's will is to do God's will, he will know whether the teaching is from God or whether I am speaking on my own authority. i214400 ὁ ἀφ’ ἑαυτοῦ λαλῶν τὴν δόξαν τὴν ἰδίαν ζητεῖ· ὁ δὲ ζητῶν τὴν δόξαν τοῦ πέμψαντος αὐτόν, οὗτος ἀληθής ἐστιν καὶ ἀδικία ἐν αὐτῷ οὐκ ἔστιν. The one who speaks on his own authority seeks his own glory; but the one who seeks the glory of him who sent him is true, and in him there is no falsehood. ground 1 i214401 οὐ Μωϋσῆς δέδωκεν ὑμῖν τὸν νόμον; καὶ οὐδεὶς ἐξ ὑμῶν ποιεῖ τὸν νόμον. τί με ζητεῖτε ἀποκτεῖναι; Has not Moses given you the law? Yet none of you keeps the law. Why do you seek to kill me?" i214402 ἀπεκρίθη ὁ ὄχλος· δαιμόνιον ἔχεις· τίς σε ζητεῖ ἀποκτεῖναι; The crowd answered, "You have a demon! Who is seeking to kill you?" i214403 ἀπεκρίθη Ἰησοῦς καὶ εἶπεν αὐτοῖς· ἓν ἔργον ἐποίησα καὶ πάντες θαυμάζετε. Jesus answered them, "I did one work, and you all marvel at it. i214410 i214411 i214404 ὁ Μωϋσῆς δέδωκεν. ὑμῖν τὴν περιτομήν, οὐχ ὅτι ἐκ τοῦ Μωϋσέως ἐστίν, ἀλλ’ ἐκ τῶν πατέρων, καὶ ἐν σαββάτῳ περιτέμνετε ἄνθρωπον. Moses gave you circumcision (not that it is from Moses, but from the fathers), and you circumcise a man on the Sabbath. i214405 εἰ περιτομὴν λαμβάνει ἄνθρωπος ἐν σαββάτῳ ἵνα μὴ λυθῇ ὁ νόμος ὁ Μωϋσέως, ἐμοὶ χολᾶτε ὅτι ὅλον ἄνθρωπον ὑγιῆ ἐποίησα ἐν σαββάτῳ; If on the Sabbath a man receives circumcision, so that the law of Moses may not be broken, are you angry with me because on the Sabbath I made a man's whole body well? i214406 μὴ κρίνετε κατ’ ὄψιν, ἀλλὰ τὴν δικαίαν κρίσιν κρίνατε. Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment." inference 2 1 1 1 tisch 25 esv 25 a 50 discourse
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